Jocko Podcast 214 w/ Echo Charles: How to Overcome Our Natal Defects.

Jocko Podcast 214 w/ Echo Charles: How to Overcome Our Natal Defects.

February 1, 2020 23 By Sebastian Fry


this is jockle podcast number 214 with
echo Charles and me Jocko Willing good evening echo good evening dear George at
0:00 700 this morning the BBC announced that the German radio had just come out
with an announcement of the landing of Allied paratroops and of large numbers
of assault craft near the shore so that is it
this group of unconquerable heroes whom I command are not in yet but we will be
soon I wish I was there now as it is a lovely sunny day for a battle and I am
fed up with just sitting i have no immediate idea of being killed but one
can never tell and none of us can live forever so if i should go don’t worry
but set yourself to do better than i have all men are timid on entering any
fight whether it is the first fight or the last fight all of us are timid
cowards are those who let their timidity get the better of their manhood you will
never do that because of your bloodlines on both sides I think I’ve told you the
story of marshal terrain who fought under louis xiv on the morning of one of
his last battles he had been fighting for 40 years he was mounting his horse
when a young aide-de-camp who had just come from the court and had never missed
a meal or heard a hostile shot said mr. terrain it amazes me that a man of your
supposed courage should permit his knees to tremble as he walks out to melt
terrain replied my lord Duke I admit that my knees do Trumbull but should
they know where I shall this day take them they would shake even more that is
it your knees may shake but they will always take you toward the enemy well so
much for that there are apparently two types of successful soldiers
those who get on by being unobtrusive and those who get on by being obtrusive
I am of the latter type and seemed to be rare and unpopular but it is my method
one has to choose a system and stick to it
people who are not themselves are nobody to be a successful soldier you must know
history read it objectively dates and even the minut details of tactics are
useless what you must know is how man reacts weapons change but man who uses
them changes not at all to win battles you do not beat weapons
you beat the soul of man of the enemy to do that you have to destroy his weapons
but that is only incidental you must read biography and especially
autobiography if you do that it will you will find that war is simple decide what
will hurt the enemy most within the limits of your capabilities to harm him
and then do it take calculated risks that is quite different from being rash
my personal belief is that if you have a 50% chance take it because of the
superior fighting qualities of American soldiers lead me led by me will surely
give you the extra 1% necessary in Sicily I decided as a result of my
information observations and a sixth sense
that I have that the enemy did not have another large-scale attack in his system
I bet my shirt on that and I was right you cannot make war safely but no dead
general has ever been criticized so you have that way out always I am sure that
if every leader who goes into battle will promise himself that he will either
come out a conqueror or a corpse he is sure to win
there is no doubt of that defeat is not due to losses but to the destruction of
the soul of the leaders the most vital quality a soldier can possess is
self-confidence utter complete and bumptious you can have doubts about your
good looks about your intelligence about your self-control but to win in war you
must have no doubts about your ability as a soldier what success I have had
results from the fact that I have always been certain that my military reactions
were correct many people do not agree with me they are wrong the unerring jury
of history written long after both of us are dead will prove me correct note that
I speak of military reactions no one is born with them any more than anyone is
born with muscles you can be born with the soul capable of correct military
reactions or the body capable of having big muscles but both qualities must be
developed by hardwork the intensity of your desire to acquire any special
ability depends on character on ambition I think that your decision to study this
summer instead of enjoying yourself shows that you have character and
ambition and they are wonderful possessions soldiers all men in fact are
natural hero worshipers officers with a flair for command realize this and
emphasize in their conduct dress and deportment the qualities they seek to
produce in their men when I was a second lieutenant
I had a captain who was very sloppy and usually lame he got after his men for
just those faults he was a failure the troops I have commanded have always been
well dressed been smart salute errs been prompt and bold an action
because I have personally set the example in these qualities the influence
one man can have on thousands is a never-ending source of wonder to me you
are always on parade officers who through laziness or a foolish desire to
be popular failed to enforce discipline and the proper wearing of uniforms and
equipment not in the presence of the enemy will also fail in battle and if
they fail in battle they are potential murderers there is no such thing as a
good field soldier you are either a good soldier or a bad soldier well this has
been quite a sermon but don’t get the idea that it is my swan song because it
is not I have not finished my job yet signed your affectionate father
and that right there if you haven’t guessed is a letter from General George
s Patton to his son that George as d-day unfolded and as you can see from the
letter and also if you know anything about Patton at all he was well known
not only for his skill in battle and as a tactician and as a leader but also
well known for his ego let me read this part again the most vital quality a
soldier can possess his self-confidence utter complete and bumptious and what
bumptious means is is proud to in to a degree where it’s irritating so it means
what it sounds like right did he say and that’s how you need to be he continues
on you can have doubts about your good looks about your intelligence about your
self-control but to win in a war you must have no doubts about your ability
as a soldier what success I have had results from the fact that I have always
been certain that my military reactions were correct many people do not agree
with me they are wrong now that’s obviously very contrary to what I think
which is the most important characteristic for a leader to have is
humility so we’re actually saying the exact opposite things here I mean to
straight up the opposite things he’s saying the most important thing is
self-confidence but he doesn’t just say got self-confidence he says utter and
complete and bumptious that’s what he says that’s not that’s not humility so
where does this wash out we have to remember that the Patton’s career was
not unblemished and and this is the thing that I’m gonna keep kind of tying
this back to a lot of the things that I think you remember when we did Chairman
Mao mm-hmm and we talked about Chairman Mao and his methodology for winning in
guerrilla war and everything that he said well
like aligned with what I say and and what are the key components of that and
maybe not everything but a lot of what he was saying and I’d have to review it
again but a lot of what are you saying but one thing that he absolutely said
Chairman Mao father of Communists China said all throughout that you know the
leaders in the field need to make decisions they need to step up they need
to lead at what he’s talking about his decentralized command and what puzzles
me about that is because he recognized that you needed to have decentralized
command for a military victory right to win but then he never transposed that
idea of decentralized command into his government and we actually do know that
centralized government doesn’t work any better than centralized a military
command than centralized business leadership it doesn’t work so he never
made that connection apparently and sometimes when I read about Patton if
you know about Patton and you know about his career and you know what happened to
him sometimes you you it hurts a little bit to know that this guy who was such a
great Patriot who was such a great tactician that if he could have applied
some of his principles of leadership on the battlefield if he could have applied
those to his interactions with other people
he might have ended up in a much better position and we’ll get into some of that
some of them some of the things that he did one there was an attack on a place
called a fort jury aunt in the fall of 1944 and I got this little I wanted to
kind of summarize it and there’s a thing called the warfare history Network that
summarized it very well it’s that the entire operation gradually said settled
into a stalemate with the Americans Americans unable to achieve any further
gains and the men hanging on desperately to what had been one in the hard
fighting food water and ammunition were running out and the men holding
positions underground were exposed to the dust and fumes of the tunnels by
October 9th Patton’s attitude about the attack had changed completely
he said the show is going sour we will have to pull out it had quickly become a
no-win situation for the Americans because both daylight and nocturnal
assaults had failed daytime attacks were vulnerable to the deadly fire that
rained down on Fort grant from the adjacent forts at night assaults were
quickly quickly broken up and driven into confusion when the German squads
emerged from their underground tunnels the Third Army suffered 64 men killed
547 wounded 187 missing assumed captured so and not achieving the objective so
that’s not good right so the idea to think that everything I
think of is correct and there you go even Patton guess what he had to do he
had to go okay this isn’t working he might not like to admit that but yes
this isn’t working too well M let’s just not do this another thing he did he
orchestrated a raid on a powa amp called old frog 13b it was in Poland and
there’s I’m not gonna go into the details now but he actually thought that
perhaps his son-in-law was a prisoner there and so he organized this this raid
and a guy named Abraham Baum conducted the raid 300 men went on the mission of
which 32 were confirmed killed in action and another 200 over 200 were missing or
taken prisoner and only 35 of the 300 made it back to friendly lines so that
is not good and then on top of that here’s here’s what I look at and I say
if he would have had more humility and and once again I gotta say this right
because I talk about humility all the time there’s a reason that I talk about
humility talk time okay in the dichotomy of leadership can you be too humble
echo Charles can you be too humble yes yes you can can you have too much
confidence yes that becomes arrogant it’s an ego that’s bad the reason that I
talk about humility so much is because it is the of the two leanings that
people can make in the dichotomy most of us
most of the time it’s they’re too confident that’s most of the time right
because if you have someone that’s moving into a leadership position they
have to have some confidence to get there so therefore a person in a
leadership position is going to lean towards having confidence which is gonna
lean them towards if they’re gonna be either not confident enough or too
confident they’re gonna lean towards too much confidence right because the person
that lacks confident well they’re not in the leadership position they didn’t work
they didn’t maneuver to get them they didn’t believe in themselves they don’t
really get there are there times where you have to talk to a leader about hey
you need more confidence you need to be less humble absolutely there are times
but Patton clearly was an example of he leaned towards too much ego too much
confidence so what I’m saying is and and that was part of his power too right you
get around someone that’s super confident about things and they’re like
oh no we’re gonna make this happen if you go yes we are I’m following this guy
so confidence in ego is a positive thing it absolutely is too much of it and you
can get yourself in trouble let’s look at what happened at towards the end of
the war Patton got relieved of command they moved him out of commanding combat
troops and they moved him into a position which was a it was like a
what’s that word it was like a figurehead position okay cool they put
him in his fate he was he may put him in charge of the 15th the army which sounds
really cool but they were actually just responsible for capturing the history of
what was happening so we’re talking low impact job no and by the way no command
in the Pacific because they were still fighting and he wanted to go to the
Pacific he didn’t go didn’t take over any major troops didn’t even go didn’t
even go to the Pacific Theater not even in charge of like the occupation army in
Germany not even in charge of that so think about that here’s this guy and
because of his tactical prowess he did great on the battlefield but as soon as
they could they shifted him over and put him out to pasture why is that because
it so that’s what bums me out is because if
he would have just had some humility to think how am I gonna play this game a
little bit better you know how am I gonna interact with my superiors with my
superior officers how am I gonna interact with them he probably would
have if he absolutely I should probably what he absolutely could have ended up
being the supreme Allied commander for sure but he didn’t so that being said of
course there’s all kinds of things we can learn from Patton and who knows
maybe he was writing this maybe his son wasn’t a very confident person maybe
he’s trying to bolster his son up in this particular letter but there’s a lot
of things that he wrote and I mean there’s a lot and it’s awesome to read
but last time we covered letter of instruction one and two to his troops
this is again going back towards the towards prior to detai d-day and we
might as well just jump in the letter of instruction number three now this one
was was very very tactical and by that I mean very I should say you shouldn’t
even say tactical because tactics is good very specific talking about you
know types of armor and what to do in very specific situations so I’m gonna
take a little bit less from this letter but there’s a bunch of things in here
that are relevant or powerful and things that anybody that’s in a leadership
situation can utilize so so this one’s a little bit I’m jumping around a bit skip
I shouldn’t say I’m jumping around but I’m skipping more stuff in this letter
but you can find these online if you want to so one of the things he says to
begin with haste and speed are not synonymous by this I mean that hasty
attacks do not produce speedy successes or speedy advances because hasty attacks
are not coordinated attacks haste makes waste
so rushing to get something done not effective haste that’s what he means by
haste which is weird because I think when I think of the word haste and I
don’t want to dive into like the etymology of the word haste
but I think it has a little bit of a now nowadays I think it has a little bit of
a positive connotation right hey we need to make haste we need to move quick
like it’s a good thing but I think even just this short time ago it’s more
aligned with the idea of haste makes waste right like it if it’s more like
rushing because rushing doesn’t have a positive connotation right you say hey
you need to rush like no one says that no one says hey rush with your homework
to your kid you don’t say rush no you say hurry yeah you need to say move
faster but you don’t say you don’t say rush because that means you’re gonna
miss something yeah almost like rush means hurry with the the the note that
it’s like in a bet in a negative way or in it like yeah and so I think this at
this time period haste had that yeah connotation as well so he’s saying haste
makes waste continuing in an armored division as an
infantry division attacks must be coordinated and the infantry and the
tanks and the guns must work as a unit success depends upon the coordinated use
of guns and the tanks so what does that mean covered move that’s what it means
work together as a team all your different elements in your company in
your team and your business need to work together wouldn’t that seem obvious
mm-hmm wouldn’t it seem obvious yeah it’s not obvious yeah well it’s it’s
obvious it’s hard to do people don’t do it like they should yeah one of the many
things that seem obvious a head or when you’re not involved in it but there are
insights you know that’s why in leadership strategy and tactics when I
was talking about what to do as a new leader and I say like read this before
you go into a meeting read this when you go to bed at night
because because you can’t just read and go cool there’s the okay I read through
now I’m good no you need to embed it into your brain read what the laws of
combat know the section on page 158 of leadership strategy practice and the
reason that I know that is because people are people said oh yeah I just
answer I gotta go to page 158 Alicia traveling tactics yeah but you can’t
just read it one time you have okay no you need to embed those things into your
brain yeah it’s not kind of like this right how long does it take to embed in
the brain that oh we need to work together a little bit
more cover and move here when tanks are advancing they must use their guns for
what is known as requirement reconnaissance by fire that is they must
shoot at any terrestrial object behind which an anti-tank gun might be
concealed and take these targets under fire to range greater than the range at
which an anti-tank gun is effective in other words at a range of greater than
2,000 yards actually that’s not even really covered it’s kind of a little bit
of cover move but it’s that’s being proactive right hey there could be an
anti-tank gun over there the anti-tank gun is has a range of whatever a
thousand meters at 2,000 meters I’m hitting those targets soon I’ll somebody
hit me up on it on Twitter and said there was there’s a name for that type
of shooting I can’t remember what it is but it’s shooting where you think the
enemy might be in tank versus tank duels the first round should be armor-piercing
if this fails the second round must be white phosphorus and short so as to give
our tank a chance to maneuver because by keeping its gun laid on with smoke it
has a better chance of getting in the second telling shot then has the enemy
who when he emerges from the smoke does not know the location of our vehicle
armored infantry should make a violent attack using all its men and weapons so
that that’s a cool you fire your first shot cool the second shot you got to be
you got to put some smoke out so they can’t see what you’re doing you should
have hit him on the first shot if you don’t you’re good because you putting
some smoke where you still know where he is but he has to look through this giant
smoke and so when he when the smoke clears he doesn’t know where you are and
you’re getting another round on him hmm we used to set up our magazines with
something called a party mix so do you have different types of rounds for your
weapon and so guys would put like armor-piercing rounds like the first
couple rounds armor-piercing rounds the second couple I they never do they don’t
think is it like the second one would be like a a more of a anti-personnel type
round that and this is against the Geneva
Convention it’s not it’s not called an expanding round because it doesn’t
expand but there’s around that we have that tumble when they hit so be some of
those than some tracers at the bottom like all kinds of think mark you could
just guy set up a little party mix yeah we do that with shotgun shells
oh we do do we we do here look at this guy tactical echo well you know that
makes sense or you understand that I understand what you’re talking about
tactical echo coming in hot that’s what we do the shotgun shells
what party mix do you use my friend educate buckshot birdshot slug you know
like you’ll have one after the other you know so they’re like different you can
see how they feel or whatever yeah what so what do you have in your home like
double okay okay yeah for the shotgun yeah yes mm that’s where your that’s
where you’re going with you that’s what we’re going with
okay both though and to throw or to go the whole magazine is filled with those
well they’re not that’s what I have but yeah that’s what I would yes I don’t
know like oh the magazine deep I’ve got a slug no no okay I think it’s just for
fun when you do the party mix yeah or in my experience you know my party mix is
not for friend active for fun echo Charles nice reason for I have to think
through there’s a bunch of different reasons why you could set things up a
different way right yes I would think so yeah you could understand this is a
welcome to the podcast this guy got a gun and now it’s all go Jack tell let me know I’m stating buyer
tell Patton what’s up Oh Chuck I probably just shut down you ever say
anything I know gravel rear channel bond with you and in Patton but
we’re one right it is more important to get it is more important to get the
information back fast than to get it back secretly therefore use clear with a
limited code for name only this is interesting so you have encrypted radios
you have codes that you can use and what he’s saying is like listen and and
sometimes especially now especially in the past that would make transmitting
information a lot harder it takes the power away from the signal sometimes it
just takes time to encrypt the message and what he’s saying is like listen it’s
more important that we get the information back there than it is that
we keep it all secret it’s just an interesting point to me because it shows
the importance of fast communication of letting people know what’s happening you
this is obviously something you have to be careful of but it’s an interesting
point just the fact that you have to keep information flowing as quickly as
possible and at this time keeping it moving fast would trump keeping it
secure mm-hmm in tactical situations because obviously there’s strategic
situations I mean we broke the German Enigma code we broke the Japanese code
and that was massively important for us to win the wars so continuing whenever
German anti-tank guns have gotten our tanks it has almost always been our own
fault in spite of years of instruction tanks
will go up obvious tank lanes such as cart tracks open river bottoms small
roads or paths or along hedges all of which any intelligent anti-tank gunner
will have arranged to cover isn’t that brilliant like when you’re looking at
the terrain you can go on oh look at this path if we go down that path guess
what the German Gunners are expecting to go down that path and they’re gonna be
waiting for you it’s also an interesting idea of ownership when we lose a tank
it’s almost always our fault hmm next the German anti-tank gunner is a
good shot we are better shots he is unprotected
we are behind inches of steel if we use our heads and our American ingenuity and
initiative we have nothing to fear from the German anti-tank guns
you know what’s crazy I just just hit me as I’m reading this mat he’s saying
these things specifically cuz guys were scared of these German anti-tank guns
and I’m just thinking about it from a tankers perspective when you’re in a
tank you’re all claustrophobic you’re locked in this thing and it’s this weird
it’s as weird it’s this weird dichotomy because in one
sense you feel really protected and in another sense you feel completely
vulnerable you feel protected cuz like all these little bullets aren’t gonna
hurt you you know some Minds aren’t gonna hurt you
but then at the same time you know one big hit and there’s nothing you can do
about it you’re gonna die and so that’s an interesting thing he’s addressing
that that fought that can go through someone’s head is like okay yeah I feel
protected but also one hit and I’m dead and the way that the way that when
aren’t when you when your armor gets pierced by an anti-tank gun like the the
picture being in a tank and there’s just hot hot metals spraying around and
they’re gonna kill you like it’s an awful thing to picture is it heart like
okay when you’re in the tank said it’s kind of claustrophobic is it it’s like
hard to get in and out of that’s like it takes a little while yeah especially if
they get hit with a mine and you know you these big giant steel doors imagine
how hard it is when that thing gets bent a little bit oh yeah
you’re not getting out oh man you’re gonna panic in there well I’m gonna
panic in there yeah yeah or even like if you that’s a nightmare and not that this
would happen all the time or whatever I don’t know but like if it just tips over
or something you got to get out of here in the you’re like kind of stuck yeah
you know it’s just horrible yeah but at the same time it’s like just it is
protected like that’s what you’re dealing with here yeah that’s what he’s
talking about here and it’s the same thing you know with these big IEDs that
the enemy makes what do you think hey I’m protected I’m in a tank but one of
those big giant IEDs can could do some damage next armored battles against infantry
and anti tanks are short and violent they take great strength of mind and
both physical and moral core encouraged because of this violence and the speed
with which they are terminated when once launched tanks must closed at their best
speed just the same as infantry and also just the same as infantry they must fire
while closing next every effort must be made to attack the flank or preferably
the rear of the enemy in executing such an attack we must use all means at our
command to prevent the enemy from stopping these turning movements so this
is exactly what I was talking about think about this every effort must be
made to attack the flank or preferably the rear of the enemy so that’s
brilliant I talk about this all the time you don’t
want to attack your enemy head-on you want to attack them from the flank right
clearly he understood that however you can look at his history and he would
attack he would attack his superiors his people around you know the PP r zh’
you would attack him instead of developing a relationship instead of
coming from the flank and it ended up putting him in his position where he
didn’t get the final command that he wanted to get so yes my my goal is to
think about Patton from a tactical perspective and then take it one step
further and apply his his battlefield tactics to leadership and I wish he
would have done that here he says to summarize and here’s
where he kind of rap I skipped a bunch of stuff but to summarize we must take
great and calculated risks in the use of armor but we must not dive off the deep
end without first determining whether the swimming pool is full of water
that’s the dichotomy of leadership yes you have to take risk but no you don’t
just jump in this is a good one you must never halt because some other
unit is stuck if you push on you will release the pressure on the adjacent
unit and it will accompany you that is really smart right you want to use
someone next to you gets bogged down and you stop to help them and now you’re
gonna get bombed yeah so don’t do that this is this was Dean lat
going into Tarawa and the order was for all the Marines if someone gets hit keep
going that’s what we need to do and thankfully for Dean lad his men wouldn’t
didn’t obey that order but if everyone didn’t obey that order on that day they
never would have made it to the beach mm-hmm
so it’s that’s not just a one on one that’s the same with units as well next
troops are never defeated by casualties but by a lack of resolution of guts
battles are won by a few brave men who refused to fear and push on it should be
our ambition our ambition to be members of this heroic group so you’re never
gonna lose a battle because the casualties you’re gonna lose because of
lack of resolution of guts more casualties occur among those who hold or
go to the rear than among those who advance and advance firing that’s
default aggressive or nah gonna run back we’re not gonna stop we’re gonna be
default aggressive and keep maneuvering finally all of us must have a desperate
desire and determination to close with the enemy and to destroy him
desperate desire I kind of just breezed through those words but think about what
those words mean a desperate desire and determination to close with the enemy
and just destroy him boom he’s got a little section here called common
tactical faults it is nearly always a mistake to occupy obvious cover this is
particularly true in sparsely wooded country because the woods are clearly
marked on maps and in the enemy possession and they will almost
invariably be subject of concentration this we used to see this when I was
running training we’d put guys out on reconnaissance and they’re doing a
reconnaissance of some target and if there was you look up at like a hillside
and there’s like one little group of shrubs you can take your your opposing
force guys go hey go check out those shrubs and there’s like a 60% chance
there’s the little seal squad or a little seal fire team sitting in there
with a camera mm-hmm and you just walk up there and gee big surprise there was
three outcroppings of brush and you’re in one of them what a surprise so that’s
what he’s saying here don’t take the obvious cover when the
fire starts bayonets should be fixed they encourage our soldiers and
discourage the enemy when a platoon or any other commander moves to the front
to reconnoiter during a firefight he must not move to the rear to
disseminate information he is acquired but rather the unit must come up to him
the sight of officers moving to the rear has a disturbing effect on the troops
and serves no useful purpose that’s a brilliant little thing to think about
hey I’m gonna go out I’m gonna go up and find out what’s going on in 40 minutes
send someone to this location and I’ll tell you what’s going on mmm or send
this squad up after me and I’ll tell you what’s going on
next and again of skipping a bunch but these are the key points there is a
ridiculous and widespread fear among all our troops that they will run out of
ammunition particularly small arms ammunition if my in my experience this
has never happened troops should remember that if they save
ammunition which they could have effectively expended against the enemy
for some unforeseen contingency they will also save the lives of a number of
enemy who will participate in the contingency so he’s saying get some I
can tell you that uh guys in Ramadi ran out of ammunition even though he may not
have experienced it happened it happens the that little story I’ve told before
about Mikey Mansour making this video yeah and me showing up and everyone say
to go go watch Mikey’s video and I’m like cool I go watch Mikey’s video and
it’s him going away and he shows it to me and of course I’m mr. serious you
know and I say Mikey there’s a firefight going on what are you doing taking a
video and you think I was guess guess makes a video but yes you can’t run out
an enemy out of fire munitions so maybe not a hundred percent agree with that on
that one the necessity for using all weapons to their maximum fire capacity
during our attacks cannot be too strongly impressed on the soldiers any
gun that is not firing is not doing its job in the assault we’re marching fire
is used by the infantry every gun machine gun and mortar must fire so yeah
I mean that’s what he’s talking about I think even even to the previous point
he’s talking about these assaults where you have a massive logistics train right
behind you so you’re not you should really shouldn’t run out of ammunition
unlike you know what we were doing where you might not have logistics train right
there behind you you might have you might be kind of stuck out in the city
somewhere for a little while mm-hmm so yeah get some with the guns
at the close of a fight it is very desirable that our own dead be removed
from view as rapidly as possible after this has been accomplished the enemy
dead should be removed with the same reverence we Accord our own and given a
proper burial next there is a regrettable tendency on the part of
company officers and noncommissioned officers to accompany the firing line as
if they were members on of a well-trained chorus simply keeping
position this attitude of mind and the actions resulting from it is impossible
in battle officers and noncommissioned officers are there for the purpose of
seeing that all what the weapons of their respective little commands are
functioning they cannot see this by simply accompanying accompanying the
movement they must direct it this is the thing about this that that I think of
and I’ve talked about this before with stoner Seth stone who is the Delta
platoon commander in task unit bruiser and him wanted him staying exactly where
he was supposed to stay according to the standard operating procedures while
executing maneuvers on the battlefield there’s like a there’s like a
predetermined place where everyone’s supposed to be and I was watching him
but he’d be in like the perfect predetermined place but the
predetermined place that you’re in doesn’t always allow you to see what you
need to see as the leader so you actually just because that’s the
standard operating procedure there are deviations that you can make and that
you need to make as the leader to make sure that you can see what’s going on
you can see what the next maneuvers supposed to be and that’s sort of what
he’s talking about here but what he’s saying is you aren’t just going along
with the movement you got to make it happen it’s the same thing I’ll say in
stone early hey once the call gets made it’s not just they’re gonna execute it
you got it direct it you’ve got to get a control of it and make it go to the
right place and then he says this key point in this
letter as in those preceding it I am not laying down inflexible rules
I am simply giving you my ideas so even this guy who thinks that he’s so smart
and thinks that all of his military intuitions are 100% correct and will be
proven out in history to be the right call even this guy is saying listen I’m
not laying down like things that you can adapt from I’m just giving you what my
ADIZ are and then he says I must and do trust your military experience courage
and loyalty to make these ideas tangible there are many ways of fighting all of
which are good if they are successful so even the great what’s that word bum
Jewess yes General Patton is saying look I know I told you like I’m right all the
time but do what you got to do no these aren’t these aren’t inflexible rules do
what you got to do then he wraps this one up we are now entering the final
stage of a Great War of a great victory this victory can be obtained by the
maximum use of all weapons both physical and spiritual it is the duty of all
commanders to see that their men are fully aware of the many vile deeds
perpetrated upon civilian civilization by the Germans and that they attack with
the utmost determined determination ferocity and hate I am sure that every
man will do his duty and I’m therefore sure that victory is simply a question
of when we find the enemy so it’s interesting that he’s actually telling
them you need to attack with hate it’s a different level this is total war
this isn’t like oh well you know attack with some dislike we’re going to attack
with hate and that’s how he wraps up that was a letter of instruction number
three this is letter of instruction number four now they’re starting to make
some adjustments he says the acute supply situation confronting us has
caused the supreme commander to direct that until further orders the Third Army
with its supporting troops and those elements of the ninth army placed in the
line will assume the defensive what you know he doesn’t really like very much
being on defensive it is evident that the successful accomplishment of this
mission will require particular concentration upon two points first this
change in attitude on our part must be completely concealed from the enemy who
should he learn of it would certainly move troops to our front and oppose
other allied armies so he’s saying look we can’t let them know that we’re going
on the defensive because then they’ll just you know back off and go attack
somewhere else and he says second we must be in possession of a suitable line
of departure so that we can move rapidly when the supreme commander directs us to
resume the offensive and then he says in order to carry out the requirements of
paragraph 2a which is the one I just read we will not dig in wire or mine but
we will utilize a thin outpost zone backed at suitable places by our
powerful mobile reserves we will further ensure that all possible avenues of tank
attack are registered in all of our batteries whose guns can bear
counter-attacks by our mobile reserves should be planned and executed to secure
a double envelopment of the hostile effort with the purpose of not only
defeating it but destroying it so so that’s pretty what he’s saying is it’s
kind of the same strategy that the Russians take when people attack Russia
which is look we got a little line of defense when we get attacked we’re gonna
back in a little bit back off a little bit and then you know back off a little
bit more and then they attack you and back off a little bit more and then when
the time is right we’ll we’ll surround them and destroy them all that’s what
he’s saying but he’s saying look that’s why we left that’s why we don’t have to
dig in we’re putting a thin line of defense out there and then when we get
attacked we’ll just back up we got here we got strong defense further back but
we’re just gonna back up we’re gonna lower the enemy in and then we’re gonna
envelop them very
simple the other thing that’s good about it is when you’re not dug in as soon as
you get the order to attack boom we’re going on the attack
because we’re not dug in mm-hmm which is again something I talked about
leadership strategy and tactics which I wish the patent would have read my
chapter sorry speaking of ego mm-hmm
there you go revealed I wish Patton read my chapter about don’t dig in because
how often did Patton think hey this is how we should do something and when he
didn’t when he got told another way instead of saying okay I understand what
K will go for it it was resistance it was okay well we’ll do it but he didn’t
like it and he let that be known which again look I did it oh I’m not gonna
just do what somebody tells me to do if I don’t agree with it no I’m not saying
that and there’s time we’ve doesn’t make any sense whatsoever cool you know then
maybe there’s a time we draw a line in the sand but these were big giant
operations where it’s like okay we do it like this we’ll do it like that no we
should do it my way mm-hmm and so much resistance and you’re
gonna end up doing it anyways by the way that he just didn’t develop the kind of
relationships that he needed and he didn’t gain the kind of trust that he
needed up the chain of command where they put him in just senior positions
where he could have had even more impact don’t dig in don’t dig it around your
ideas don’t dig in even on the defense sometimes which I hesitate to say cuz
let me let me tell you let me just make this note if you’re in a truly defensive
position dig in because the enemy is gonna attack you and you don’t want to
be you want to have a place that you can get good cover from the enemy attack so
I’m not saying never dig in sure I’m saying most of the time don’t take it
alright now this next section is from something that Patton wrote I wanna say
you wrote it in 1926 something like that but way before World War 2 what it was
after he got done with World War 1 and once again not reading
reading the whole thing but I think the name of this essay we’ll call it by
General Patton was the secret of victory and he’s got and this is this is where
you kind of start to realize that Patton was a really smart and educated
individual because he’s a very eloquent writer especially for a guy that swore
so much but a very eloquent writer and we’ll go to this here despite the years
of fought and oceans of ink which had been devoted to the elicitation of war
its secrets still remain shrouded in mystery indeed it is due largely to the
very volume of available information that the veil is so thick so everyone’s
been trying to figure out war for a long time and because so many people have
written about it that’s what makes it hard it’s one of the things that makes
it hard to understand is that so much stuff has been written about it and by
the way that whole opening opening letter to George like we could have just
broken that entire thing down maybe we should have but when he’s talking about
you need to read history mm-hmm so he goes on here war is an art and as such
is not susceptible of explanation by fixed form you lie so where’s this crazy
thing and it’s you can’t just say okay this is what war is
no it’s an art it’s like trying to explain art can you explain art can you
explain why someone likes this painting but not that painting but but the other
person likes that painting but not this painting you can’t explain that you
can’t explain why universally most people like this painting universally
most people like this song right you can’t explain them otherwise guess what
people just go oh go I need to make a hit song no I’ll just produce one yeah
the formula yeah I’m real I know one can can describe what makes a good video
because the echo Charles you’re here now this is something you are clear
hot to talk about okay a little bit more than weapons loadout yeah probably so if
it was hey we just need to make a good video and it’ll go fire all right cool
hey hey echo go make a viral video do me a favor just go make a viral video
you can’t ya can’t do you literally can’t do it yeah actually that’s a good
comparison because they’re so and especially now and probably more in the
future where there’s gonna be a lot of information about a lot of people start
writing about it you know or write more about it about what makes a viral video
that’s like perfect end of the day yeah it’s a perfect thing because everybody
wants to make a viral yeah but I mean everybody wants to make a viral video
but you can’t just open up the formula and say okay cool what we need to do is
it needs to be 38 seconds long and you just have this type of soundtrack and
he’s have this type of visuals and this type of voiceover good ok produce it
boom do it gangman style or whatever that was how
did it right how does that end up being one of the most it might be the most
viewed video of all time right but it’s up there we held that I know for at
least three months of time my little kids between the ages of whatever they
were six and eight we’re walking around the house singing Gangnam style yes sir
yeah and I’m saying haven’t wait and hold on let me play Black Sabbath for
you please yeah and even when people do to make the formula yep like super
ambiguous and guess what that same guy there okay well we made Gangnam style
just make another one yeah no I don’t even think there was
another one yeah yeah there was I mean that’s like a group right I think that’s
like a music group see it’s we don’t even know yeah yeah that’s kind of know
a guy it’s a one guy yeah but he’s like artists he’s the artist or whatever I
don’t think it’s just some comedy dude it’s like no no it’s not a comedy he was
a legit like pop guy yeah yeah and he made that song but then he tried to make
another one mm-hmm and it wasn’t you know you just can’t there’s no forms no
formula there’s no same thing with war and here
we go back to the book away from Gangnam style
we’re going back to the book yet from the earliest time there has been an
unending effort to subject its complex and emotional structure to dissection to
enunciate rules for its waging to make tangible its intangibility one might as
well strive to isolate the soul by the dissection of the cadaver as to seek the
essence of war by the analysis of its records that’s a pretty powerful right
you might as well in order to find out what makes war war you it’s like looking
for the soul in a body yeah and then he says yet despite the impossibility of
physically detecting the soul its existence is proven by its tangible
reflection in acts and thoughts so we know we exist mm-hmm it’s there but you
can’t open up the body and find it so with war beyond its physical aspect of
armed hosts there hovers an impalpable something which on occasion though
dominates the material as to induce victory under circumstances quite
inexplicable so sometimes things happen in war that victory is achieved and no
one can really even understand how it’s inexplicable yeah he goes on the great
warriors were too busy and often to in apt to write contemporaneously of their
exploits saved in the form of propagation propaganda reports while
what they later put on paper as biographies were retrospect colored by
their vain strivings for enhanced fame or political conditions then confronted
him so when these great warriors wrote it was afterwards because they have time
to do while they’re fighting so afterwards and then they kind of got a
little ego involved which here’s here’s got General Patton calling everyone out
on their ego they or there’s some political situation going on that’s why
they wrote it a certain way so you don’t even get the truth from the Warriors
themselves because they don’t have I’m and or they do it afterwards in
which case it’s colored or as it’s a miss colored by their ego or the
political environment that their it with the efforts of historians the case is
even worse those who write at the time are guilty of partisanship and the urge
of hero-worship so even someone that’s an historian right now they’re they got
those problems in peace the scholar flourishes in war the soldier dies so it
comes about that we view our soldiers through the eyes of scholars and
attribute to them scholarly virtues so since it’s the scholarly people telling
it they paint these people to be you know scholarly and that’s not always the
case seeking obvious reasons for the obscure
we analyzed their conduct as told by historians and assign as reasons further
success apparent trivial things so he’s saying look we we look at someone in the
past who was a great warrior or a great leader and we say okay they were a great
leader because of this or cuz of that because that’s what some scholarly
person wrote about trivial things music has a myriad music has its myriad of
musicians but only its dozen masters so with painting sculpture literature
medicine or trade or videos many are called but few are chosen so that’s what
he’s saying is that well these leaders are the same way like there’s there’s
there’s people that make music but these combat leaders there’s not too many of
them that actually rate you know Beethoven hmm or Tony Iommi nor can we
concur wholly with the alluring stories in the advertising sections of our
magazine which port point to the Golden Path of a success to all and sundry who
follow that particular phase of home education that they happen to advocate
so just like the get-rich-quick scheme is not going to work
these little thinking that these little leadership things that you learn okay
they’re not really gonna help you as much knowledge is power but to a degree
only its possession per se will raise a man to mediocrity but not to distinction
so you can be smart you can learn a lot but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t get
you there in art and the funny thing as you read this ERG there’s a whole this
whole thing is like an egotistical writing right cuz he’s saying listen
there’s normal people and then there’s there’s you can have knowledge that’ll
get you so far but to truly be the master this is pretty rare and is he
implying that he is a little bit a little bit in our opinion indeed the
instruction obtained from such courses is of less moment to future success than
his ambition which prompted the study that’s interesting right and so if
you’re a person that says hey I want to be good leader I’m gonna reach out and
start trying to learn how to lead does that ambition that’s gonna make you a
good leader or I want to make a lot of money so I’m gonna do this thing and
that’s gonna make me a more money it’s the ambition is more important in making
you actually successful than the course that you bought huh interesting
in considering these matters site should not be lost of the fact that while there
is much similarity there is also a vast difference between a successful soldier
and the successful man in other professions success due to knowledge and
personality is the measure of ability in each case but to all except the soldier
it has vital significance only to the individual and to a limited number of
his family and associates so success is important when you look at of any other
profession it’s important to be successful because they person can take
care of his associates and his family right so that’s very important to be
successful for your family and for your associates and then he continues on
while the soldier while with the soldier success or failure means infinitely more
as it must of necessity be measured not in terms of personal honor or affluence
but in the life happiness and honor of his men and his country way heavier
right and and let’s face it you know that’s kind of we hold military people
in high regards even though I mean you can find out you can go look you know
what the Admiral of the Navy makes the Chief of Naval Operations makes you can
go look it up he’s making whatever he’s making like a hundred and thirteen
thousand dollars a year you know I mean then he’s in charge of billions of
dollars worth of equipment whereas somebody that’s in charge of a
medium-sized company is making probably 10 or 15 or 20 or even a hundred times
I’d pay a hundred times more than what this seat the Chief of Naval Operations
makes but we hold him in high regard why because this guy isn’t just protecting
or taking care of you know a company he’s taking care of his troops and he’s
taking care of the country so that’s why being a military leader is held in high
esteem rightfully so you’re not just judging someone based on their amount of
money that they make continue on hence the search for that elusive secret of
military success sole genius personality call it what you will is a vital
interest to all of us beyond question personal knowledge is a fine thing but
unfortunately it is too intimate when for example we recall a railroad
that railroad accident the picture that most vividly presents itself to us is
the severed blue grey hand of some child victim not the misread signals which
precipitated the tragedy so with war experiences the choking gas
that strangled us sticks in our memory to the more or less complete exclusion
of the important fact that it was the roads and the consequent abundant
mechanical transportation peculiar to the Western Europe
which permitted the accumulation of enough gas gels to do the strangling so
we get caught up looking at this one small outcome of the problem but we
don’t look at it from a strategic view we don’t see the big picture he says a
British writer has said the characteristic of war and by the way I’m
not reading this whole thing I’m jumping through parts of it so there might be it
might sound a little bit disjointed but it’s not as disjointed when you’re
actually reading it he continues in another little part here a British
writer has said the characteristic of war is its constant change of
characteristic but as is ever the case with amorphous with morphisms his remark
needs explanation the and here’s his explanation there is an incessant and
constant change of means to it to attain the inevitable end but we must take care
not to let these inevitably sundry means past or predicted attain undue eminence
in the perspective of our minds so what is he saying there he’s saying you’ve
got you’ve got these things that change about how we’re gonna achieve some goal
and those things you can get caught up in those things they can attain undo
evidence so you can believe that they’re more important and then he says since
the beginning there has been an unending cycle of them
and for each its advocates have claimed adoption as the sole means of successful
war so all the time new war this is the most important thing this is the most
important thing this is the most important thing and then he says yet the
records of all time show that the unchanging ends have been our and
probably ever shall be the securing of predominant force of the right sort at
the right place at the right time that’s the most important thing you get the
strongest force at the right place at the right time that’s how you win all
these other things that we’re talking about that
they they’re they’re fake and again this is according to Patton and we could
argue about those I’m telling you what he’s saying is that the most important
thing is to be have to have the strongest force at
the right place at the right time mmm it’s hard argue with that yeah continuing on in this scholarly
avocation soldiers of all important nations use at the present time what
purports to be the best mode of instruction the the applica tori method
the characteristics of some concrete problem are first studied in the
abstract and then tested by applying them with the assumed forces and
situations in in solving annales problems either on the terrain or a map
representation of it so what he’s saying there is the normal mode of instruction
as you look at a map you look at where you’re gonna maneuver your forces and
then you figure out how you’re going to apply your forces and you play a little
game of chess on a map or on a terrain model or even walking the terrain
actually physically doing it and then he says this so that makes sense right we
understand that you’re gonna look at this do you know how are you gonna
maneuver your pieces this method not only familiarizes the student with all
of the tools and technicalities of his trade but also develops the aptitude for
reaching decisions and the self-assurance derived from demonstrated
achievement okay cool so by doing that by looking at a map by looking at
terrain by going out and walking through the terrain by going out and simulating
combat you’re gonna increase your what does he say your self-assurance your
aptitude for reaching decisions that’s gonna happen it’s gonna make you better
but then he says but at always as always there is a fly in the ointment high
academic performance demands infinite intimate knowledge of details and the
qualities requisite to such attainments often inhabit bodies lacking personality
man that’s a crazy thing to think about right that you’ve got this people that
are willing to study and willing to work but what they miss is they don’t have
they they don’t have the personality mmm they don’t have the charisma
so they’re smart to book smart right that’s the term that gets used yeah and
this person yeah and that’s the thing that comes out as a negative right
someone says oh you know he’s really book smart they don’t say that like all
these super book smart no that’s who he’s talking about he’s talking about
people that are book smart yeah and then he says and also the striving for such
knowledge often engenders the fallacious notion that capacity depends on the
power to acquire such details not the ability to apply them so you got someone
over here that can memorize what’s in the book but that doesn’t necessarily
mean that they can take what’s in the book and apply it you notice that in
jujitsu right you get someone that understands the move yeah but you gotta
learn you gotta know how to well look Jiu Jitsu is an interesting example cuz
you can take someone who teach them to move and you’re gonna get it and they
can achieve a good level but the people that can go next level are the people
that can take those things and apply them in different ways different
situations different scenarios and then create things out of it that’s the
difference between or not even but this is I think someone can be just a good
applier and be a world champion in jiu-jitsu like someone that studies and
is great and knows the moves they can be a world champion but to be like the
elite of the elite you got to have that next level you got
to be able to take those things and apply create next level yeah and not the
sku thing towards making videos or nothing like that that seems to be the
top well but you see the end with a lot of stuff like where do you see this with
weapons as well you know like sometimes and then okay so you run into this on
YouTube where it’s like okay you can look you can look up videos on how to
make videos right and go and then so after a while you can kind of discern
okay this person just read the directions you know you know how you get
that impression from somebody and it doesn’t matter
totally necessarily video it can be a lot of stuff when it’s like you just get
the impression that they read the directions and they did it good they
didn’t perfect but you can sort of tell versus
a guy who’s like maybe a little bit more creative with it or yeah you can see you
can tell they understand the whole comprehensive thing and then they can
add their own personal little element well the example that I use which I’ve
used before is you can take a flier and put it up in a guitar Center and say hey
I need someone that can play you can pick the most complicated
songs ever and there’s you’ll get 20 people that will call you up and they’ll
actually be able to play those songs and yet they’re all working regular jobs
because they didn’t have that thing that creative thing they learned the
mechanics of the job but they couldn’t they can’t create something new yeah no
offense I mean I wish I could play guitar like that I can’t but that’s what
separates that’s why that’s why there’s people that are incredible musicians
guitarists technicians maybe musicians is it started as
musicians imply that they got that creative spark – I don’t know they mean
to me yeah I don’t know yeah maybe okay well yeah I guess on though I guess
you’ve got incredible technical musicians that can play any song on
whatever instrument but they don’t have that little thing and that’s what he’s
talking about they’re book-smart yeah what about you
know you get these okay you know the old-school art right that real valuable
art like yes Picasso and all this then you have these master forgers where are
they on this whole vein question maybe like a little of both I I mean I think
they’re they’re like the technical guitarists that can lay down the riff
exactly you can’t tell the difference but it doesn’t really matter because
they can’t create something new right if you’re a master forger that’s great but
you you’re not gonna be remembered because you didn’t create anything so
creativity is what we’re talking about here which again you know when we went
over the Marine Corps manual tactics with Dave Burke like think about how
often they talked about creativity good yes good deal there think about how
often they talked about creativity yeah and I’ve been talking about since day
one I think it was on the first time I was on Tim Ferriss I said combat is an
exercise in creativity and it is and that’s what he’s saying yeah for
the master forger essentially will always have that limitation no matter
how good no matter unless he can break out right and yeah and you know what I
thought you were going with this was like the modern art you know where it’s
just some random thing and and you can look at and go well my four-year-old
could have created that right yes and then there’s other people going wait a
second you’re missing something here that this is why this is creative this
is why this is important whatever and what’s interesting also is when people
when you when you when you’re that good of an artist at drawing things you have
to get that good at drawing things realistically before you can break out
and see them from a different perspective I think a lot of present
sure yeah I don’t know about that one I mean not to say that that’s not true but
it’s one of those things like are you saying earlier there is no for me lie
there even in an evaluation of art really I mean we are all trained to
understand there’s a well-known critic of art but is there even such thing as a
critic of art officially yeah not really no and it’s it’s it’s weird too because
like with music there’s music that is so popular that I can’t stand you know and
most of the music that I like is not popular what does that mean means you’re
special bro obviously I guess that art is in the eye of the beholder
in many cases one might say okay yeah because some people they don’t and I and
maybe I misunderstood what you meant when you said the artist has to be able
to draw like yeah like good first right for the breakup but a lot of artists I
mean from what I understand they don’t necessarily know how to like draw that
good it’s more of just their like the idea behind the result kind of thing you
know I don’t know I’m not sure I think he was go first and they just go deep in
their head and they’re like hey that you know the invoke like everything in them
did point to because like with some of the old like punk rock bands that really
like had a big impact it wasn’t because they were good musicians it’s because
their emotion in ocean leer aw right yeah he just people
heard and went whoa this is this is a different thing and so that’s you could
be you could be totally right that’s the same thing right you don’t necessarily
have to be a fine artist before you start drawing crazy stuff right or drugs
drawing abstract stuff let’s say not necessarily true yeah
even music like you know the guy super impressive where these guys like they
may or may not even be a homeless guy but they’re on the street oh yeah I got
a bucket yeah and no like shop in the bucket and they’re like doing all this
stuff and it sounds really like dope but it’s like I don’t know like is it
reaching everybody well then we’re not reaching anybody everybody I posted up
there was some guy there was like a bunch of bumps I mean bumps in San Diego
I was out for dinner and they were playing bluegrass you ever seen someone
with it’s like a like a broom pole or whatever a broom broom stick into like a
upside down wash bin with a string on it and it’s a bass okay well it’s like what
you’d see in the olden days yeah and then there’s someone was plucking a
banjo and someone else was playing guitar and these people were clearly
there were there were homeless people you know and they were probably between
the ages of I would say maybe 20 to 20 to 26 so they’re pretty young and and I
was walking and I just heard him and I was thinking man this band sounds good
right and I get up and I see they’re just completely homeless and they were
jamming and I actually posted it on Instagram and you know we got done and
my son I was with my son and my son was like those guys weren’t good and I said
yeah I know that was impressive and what does that mean that means they are well
your question was are they reaching everybody no they’re not reaching
anybody they’re reaching it literally for people who are standing there
watching them right so what’s better so is
so okay I was having this debate this is a long time with Tim Tim 14 so he was
like saying uh he he was making music or whatever and he goes deep you know with
his music like what he’s saying Zarek’s you will and something like whatever and
he and so we’re talking about it like what’s better music right and he’s like
oh like I think basically his premise was underground rap is better than you
know popular rap now and and I had no dog in the fight but I was just kind of
more just taunting him a little bit and he was really emotionally dug in on this
one and then so I was like okay I was like well how do you prove that you know
just cuz you like it better it doesn’t mean overall it’s better you got to be
able to measure it so I’m like okay so little wayne with the it was the song go
DJ you’ve heard that song DJ anyway it’s real popular song at the time and i
happen to like it and I was like no go DJ is better than all your underground
rap I just said it to trigger him nothing that’s the fact or nothing but
but I used the measurement to I was like okay how many albums have you know you
guys sold like or how are we gonna measure it you know and we couldn’t
really hit the network he couldn’t really hit the nail on the head as to
why it was better why underground rap is better you know
but I sort of had some leg to stand on because I had the measuring tool you
know but at the end of the day I think which I didn’t say in the argument
because you know it would have been kind of a cop-out given what we’re doing
there is no really way to tell that’s what I’m saying it’s like it’s all are
just cuz it reaches just cause a bunch of people I don’t love go DJ that’s not
a life-changing song but if it’s on like we’re gonna enjoy it then there’s so
there’s that side of the spectrum right like no no maybe
what’s your name Britney Spears something like this you know some of us
think Brittany’s pretty deep but whatever saying it’s on this side of the
spectrum yeah a lot of the time and then on the other side it’s like I don’t know
something like super deep that not many people know about about the people who
do know about it it’s like man that’s my life song kind of thing you know so it’s
a spectrum there but who’s to say what’s better you know well yeah it’s well I
think I’m to say better of course where’s the yeah so I
guess the whole point of this entire divergence that we’ve just taken is that
just like in art and music there’s a spark that you have to have and it’s the
same thing with leadership and so now he continues on with this thing that the
people that they that the more that they learn the more that they’ve learned from
the books that better they’re gonna do and he says this obsessed with this
thought students plunge deeper and even deeper their exertions but in meshing
them more until like mired mastodons they perish in a morass of knowledge
where they first browsed for sustenance I guess iPads a good writer so you
picture these big giant mastodons that you know fall into this murder this
giant pit of knowledge it’s just too much for him mhm mhm and they die that’s
what happens this young leaders just trying to read everything is coming from
a guy that tells you to read everything I know when I say that I mean Patten’s
telling you you need to read but what he’s saying is like you can go so far
into that you’re you just end up well perish in a morass of knowledge and he
continues on when the prying Spade of the unbiased investigator has removed
the muck of official reports and the mire of self laudatory biographies from
the swamp of the world war then the skeletons of many such military mammoths
will be discovered and what I love about this is as I as anyone knows from the
books that we cover on this podcast I’ve said since a day one oh why don’t you
cover this book about the Great War this book about world war two or this this
book that was written by this great historian I’m like oh no I like
first-person accounts I actually like first-person accounts and Vaugh as often
as I can from like the frontline soldiers of course I like the generals
too and the Colonel’s that’s great but I like to hear what the frontlines have to
say and that’s what that’s part of what I like about his idea that just reading
from this from this high altitude doesn’t necessarily give you the
information you need he continues on beyond questions no
soldiers ever sought more Dylan diligently own sorry he says amidst
their mighty remains will lurk the elusive secret of German failure he’s
talking about world war 1 beyond question no soldiers ever sought more
diligently for pre-war perfection they built and tested and adjusted their
mighty machine and became so engrossed in its visible perfection in the
accuracy of its bearings and the compression of its cylinders that they
neglected the battery when the moment came their masterpiece proved
inefficient through lack of the define divine athleticism an inspiration a
divine thing and that is the soul of a leader so that the Germans were really
rigid and the way they prepared things and again this is his viewpoint but it’s
a pretty good viewpoint that the Germans in World War one coming out of that
Prussian coming out of that that Prussian mentality like this is the way
we’re gonna do things but they forgot that you gotta have a soul you gotta
have the soul of a leader and that’s what happened to him that’s what he
means the battery like where’s that energy come from I guess what the soul
of the leader and he says this truly in war men are nothing a man is everything
in acquiring erudition we must live on not in our studies so in order to
acquire great knowledge you you have to you have to live on the studies not in
them we must guard against becoming so engrossed in a specific nature of the
roots and bark of the trees of knowledge as to miss the meaning and grandeur of
the force that they compose that’s a really complicated way of saying don’t
miss the forest through the trees he fails the simplicity
mm-hmm as has been pointed out the secret of victory lies not wholly in
knowledge it lurks invisible in that vitalizing spark intangible yet as
evident as lightning the warrior soul that’s where he’s saying the victory
lies the warrior soul we shall now seek to evaluate and place in there just
ratio the three essentials to victory inspiration knowledge and force which he
also calls mass we may therefore postulate that no one element be its
sole knowledge or mass is dominant that a combination of any two of these
factors gives a strong presumption of success over an adversary relying on one
alone and that the three combined are practically invincible against a
combination of the other two so here’s the important things inspiration
knowledge and and force or mass and he actually I’d not cover him now but he
gives some examples of where these things were important through history
I’m not gonna cover them right now but these three things are what you need for
victory he says man cannot live by bread alone and that as a man thinketh so he
is have been for generations droned from countless pulpits as the texts for
prolix and unconvincing sermons until cognizant of the phrases has been
somewhat dulled yet they contain an infinity of truth and I think you say
this a lot it means like when something that gets said all the time cliche yeah
there’s a reason too cliche is a cliche right there’s a reason people say it
yeah because there’s some what does he call it there’s some infinity of truth
in there right so that’s what he’s saying so these things man cannot live
by bread alone and it has a man thinketh so he is he those are cliches but
there’s truth in them war is conflict fighting is an elemental
exposition of the age-old effort to survive it is the gold
glitter of the attackers eye not the point of the questing bayonet that
breaks the line oh that’s good I’m gonna read that one again it is the cold as a
gold it is the cold glitter of the attackers eye not the point of the
questioning bayonet that breaks the line it is the fierce determination
determination of the driver to close with the enemy not the mechanical
perfection of the tank that conquers the trench it is the cataclysmic ecstasy of
conflict in the flyer not the perfection of his machine gun which drops the enemy
in flaming ruin yet volumes are devoted to armaments and only pages to
inspiration so this actual man the human element is more important than the
bayonet than the tank and then the aircraft and then the machine gun and
yet we talk about these are we to his books written about these different
weapons of war but not enough written about the soul of man continuing on
since by necessity limitations of map problems he’s going back to this this
whole idea of figuring out things on a map and we’re doing a terrain walk since
by a necessity limitations of map problems inhibit the student from
considering the effects of hunger emotion personality fatigue leadership
and many other imponderable yet vital factors he first neglects and then
forgets them crazy right you you look at this map when you figure we renew for
your people and you think what you’ve read about but you forget about the
thing that I try and talk about all the time which is human nature which is
understanding people understanding people understanding hunger emotion a
personality fatigue leadership and all these imponderable things those are what
you need to be concerned about as a leader going on obsessed with admiration
for the intelligence which history is ascribed to leaders past he forgets the
inseparable connection between plans the flower of the intellect and execution
the fruit of the soul he’s getting an a-plus in an English class right now
isn’t it the inseparable connection between plans which are the flower of
the intellect and execution the fruit of the soul you gotta have both you gotta
have both yes you gotta have plans but then you gotta be able to execute
continuing on since the historian through lack of experience and
consequent appreciation of the inspirational qualities of generals
fails to stress them he does emphasise their mental gifts which since he shares
he values this guy was smart like me this guy was educated like me that’s
what made him so great just like me yeah sometimes people will say that even if
they aren’t necessarily that you know well like me and you’re alike in this
way and then they’ll say some cool quality that you have you know just sort
of implying yeah I’m like that yeah I’m like that too and that’s what this is
right oh the historian says oh this guy was
very educated like I am yeah and like you said there’s no always necessarily
but he was wealth Rick sure and that’s what they stress doesn’t it’s doesn’t
stress the inspirational qualities of the general doesn’t stress that because
he focuses on the fact that the guy was educated or the guy who went to Oxford
or the guy went to whatever West Point mm-hmm is that because it’s it’s more
concrete it’s definitely more concrete but it’s also it’s a shared value it’s
like what you just said yeah you know this guy was smart like when somebody
does something when when another seal does something cool and I’m like yeah we
know using the day just like me dude then it continues on hugging the notion
of intelligence he pictures armies of incident pawns moving with the precision
of machines and the rapidity of lights guided in their intricate and resistless
evolutions over the battlefield by the cold effulgence of his emotionless
celebrations as transmitted to them by wire and radio through the inspiring
medium of coded messages oh that’s just a get some right that’s what they
picture though then you know this happens today this happens today with
them I just was just responding to someone on social media that was
implying this exact thing that oh well you know jakku you were on you you only
been in charge of teams of seals and so guess what they are though those are
incident pawns moving with the precision of machines and the rapidity of light
like no bro actually but that’s what people think they’re wrong continuing
doubtlessly he further assumes the same superhuman intelligence will translate
those sombre sentences into words of fire which shall electrify his chest men
into frenzied heroes who heedless of danger shall dauntlessly translate this
stillborn infants of his brain into heroic deeds so if you think you can
just put out the word and now everyone’s gonna go execute it with with undeniable
tenacity and vigor you’re wrong continuing on shrewd critics have
assigned to all manner of things oh sorry shrewd critics have assigned
success to all manner of things and here are some of the things that they
assigned success to tactics shape of frontiers happily placed rivers
mountains or woods intellectual ability or to the use of artillery all in a
measure true but none vital so yeah you can be successful from all these
different and and the shrewd critics say oh you
were successful because this er you were successful because of that you were
successful because of your tactics or your frontier or the river or the woods
or whatever and it continues nor is it even the speed of the operations that
the secret lays but in the inspiring spirit with which they so inoculated
their soldiers as to lift weary footsore men out of themselves and to make them
march forgetful of agony that’s the difference
according to Patton mm-hmm in considering war we must avoid that
adoration of the material as exemplified by scientists who deny who deny the
existence of aught they cannot cut away so the scientists look at it go well if
you can’t see it doesn’t exist you can’t weigh it it doesn’t exist so
therefore we’re not gonna give any credit to these things that we can’t
exactly wrap our hand around the magic spark mm-hmm as a mirror shows us not
ourselves but our reflection so it is with the soul and with leadership we
know them but by acts they inspire or by the results they have achieved so you
don’t see them you only know them by the acts that they make happen or things
that are achieved through them continuing on like baguettes like in the
armies of the great we seek the reflection of themselves and we find
self-confidence enthusiasm abnegation of self loyalty and courage so this is this
is big right and this is this this I won’t get into it but here’s what you
find self-confidence right boom that’s what you find self-confidence enthusiasm
abnegation of self what is that right abnegation of self is denial of the self
this is like this is I’m not the most important thing loyalty and courage
resolution no matter how adamant made it to knowledge no matter how
infinite never begat such a progeny so being firm in your resolution and
knowing a lot no matter how much of those two you have you never get as much
as you get with self-confidence enthusiasm abnegation of self loyalty
and courage such offspring only arises from bloodlines as elemental as
themselves the leader must be incarnate of them now this is what we really like
that’s a pretty bold statement right mm-hmm
hey Here I am a leader in the army my name is general pat my name is well he’s
probably like a captain or maybe a major at this point when he’s writing this and
he’s saying that in order to be a really good leader you have to be bloodline
incarnate in you but then he says this which is awesome this is where I get a
little you know I he’s starting to move a little bit out of the box here that he
comes right back in the box I had to paraphrase this one a little bit but nor
is the suggestion that birth is the only means of producing such a leader
there are certainly born leaders but the soldier may still overcome his natal
defects by unremitting effort and practice imagine that mm-hmm
what’s that the old nature versus that’s that’s what it is I’ve got a book called
leadership strategy and tactics there’s a there’s a chapter and they’re called
born or made mm-hmm and the answer is both and that’s the same thing that
General Patton saying here you you look you can be born a great leader but you
can still overcome your natal defects just my unremitting effort and practice
that’s how you can get good self confidence of the right so I think this
is where he’s gonna start hammering yeah so he starts hammering through this list
of things so the first one is self confidence self confidence of the right
sort as differentiated from bump Jewess presumption based in ignorance is the
result of proven ability the sense of conscious achievements its
existence presupposes enthusiasm for without this quality no one would endure
the travail of acquiring self-confidence so self-confidence takes time in order
to get self-confidence you have to be enthusiastic and you have in order
because you have to be successful and thinks it’s self-confidence you can’t
just wake up and have it you have you it’s it’s conscious achievement it’s
proven ability and the more you prove able the more confidence you gonna get
which is interesting that in my new book I talk about how do you get someone to
increase their confidence you give them tasks that they can achieve that’s
exactly what he’s saying over time that’s how you build up self-confidence
he continues on here the enthusiasm which permits the toil and promises the
achievement is simply an all absorbing preoccupation in the profession elected
so when you’re fired up for something when you’re enthusiastic that’s what
allows you to overcome the toil and the times that you drop the balls that
you’re learning how to juggle you just keep picking them up mmm
Anderton is the next one endurance to is linked with self-confidence mentally it
is the ability to subvert the means to an end to hitch a wagon to a star and to
attain it physically it presupposes sufficient enthusiasm to force on nature
no matter how reluctant the obligation of constant bodily fitness through
exercise hmm then he says the expanding waistline means the contracting heart
line both in length and vigor and then he says witness Napoleon at and after
Jenna the Battle of Jena which is where the Prussians figured out that they need
to use maneuver warfare and decentralized commander but because
that’s because they got crossed by Napoleon and I didn’t
I don’t Lee Napoleon that Jenna was in good shape and if probably an after
Jenner he maybe he let it go so constant bodily fitness through exercise mental
ability to hitch a wagon to a star and attain it right
that’s endurance next up abnegation of self seems perhaps incongruous when
applied to such selfish persons as frederick or napoleon but this is not
the case so this is kind of funny too because right do be bad to do mmm whose
baton – right I mean Patton has at least a big of a
Nico as Napoleon or or Frederic but this is not the case he says self can be
subordinated to self the Corsican leading his grenadiers zat lodi
subordinated the life of bonaparte to the glory of napoleon so once again even
patton you know this is a former humility right that’s what it is it’s
like everyone else is more important than me that’s what it is next one is
loyalty loyalty is frequently only considered as faithfulness from the
bottom up it has another an equally important application that is from the
top down one of the most frequently noted characteristics of the great who
remain great is the unforgiveness and of loyalty to their subordinates it is this
characteristic which binds with hoops of iron their juniors to them a man who is
truly an unselfishly loyal to his superiors is of necessity
so to his juniors and they to him so this is great right
loyalty up and down the chain of command you’re just not loyal to the people
above you you’re loyal to the people below you you take care of them and if
you take care of them they’re gonna take care of you once again it’s in the book
leadership strategy and tactics next courage moral and physical is almost a
synonym of all forgoing traits it fosters the resolution to combat and
cherishes the ability to assume response ability the ability to assume
responsibility be it forced successes or failures we call that extreme ownership he says but as with biblical candle
these traits and now he’s that was the last trait now he’s talking about – all
these traits these traits are of no military value if concealed a man of
diffident manner will never inspire confidence
a cold reserve cannot beget enthusiasm and so with the others there must be an
outward visible sign of the inward and spiritual grace it then appears that the
leader must be an actor and such is the fact but with him as with his B wig to
compare he is unconvinced convincing unless he lives the part
so yes the leader has to be an actor but guess what if the leader doesn’t
actually believe what he’s doing if everyone’s gonna see through it just
like an actor a B weekd actor B twig that’s like a person
wearing a wig okay so cuz I thought we said an actor meaning someone who takes
action but no straight straight upper stage a person on the stage the person
on the stage has to act and he’s unconvincing unless he lives the part
and that’s way leaders gotta be you gotta live it you gotta think it you’ve
got to believe it stay in character and if you don’t believe it then no
everyone’s gonna see through it yeah yeah that’s kind of true with everybody
huh you know people like you back in the day when I was a personal trainer and
you get a personal trainer who’s like kind of out of shape you know okay but
they you know according to them they know everything kind of thing is like
Brian’s kind of I mean we can see it on you obviously but yeah if you feel that
you know so yeah you’re not gonna follow them here’s your’s way more apt to
follow you know some of someone’s a fitness instructor someone that’s in
good shape yes but more more importantly for me
is if you don’t really believe in what you’re saying as a leader yeah everyone
can see it and where this really comes into play and this is such an incredible
thing and I’ve talked about it over and over again and I I put it
there’s an edition of dichotomy leadership that I talked about this I
think was the Barnes & Noble Edition they put like a section in there that I
had written this article about and I talked about it in leadership strategy
and tactics and that’s this if if your goal is to take care of yourself
everyone can see it yeah and you’re gonna fail that’s the way it is like if
your goal if you’re if you’re willing to step on people and crush them in order
to move up the chain of command everyone’s gonna see it and you’re gonna
fail now look you might get a couple wins here and there I get it but long
term you’re gonna fail if your goal is to take care of your team and accomplish
the mission that’s what your true goal is number one you’re gonna be successful
in taking care of the team and successful in accomplishing the mission
and then guess what a byproduct is you will be successful as well but the
minute you say well wait a second maybe I’ll just focus on myself for a second
it’s the wrong move it’s the wrong move what you want to do is say how can I
best take care of my people definitely you want to say that’s what you want to
believe that’s what you want to do and if you do that you take care of your
people and you take care of your mission and that’s where the way you’re
operating everyone can see it up and down the chain of command by the way
mm-hmm and eventually that will play out correctly if you’re looking to take care
of you people will see that up and down the chain of command and eventually that
will play out incorrectly and then he says can a man acquire and demonstrate
these characteristics that’s these characteristics self confidence
endurance abnegation of self loyalty and courage can a man then acquire and
demonstrate these characteristics the answer is they have they
and for as a man thinketh so is he so all these things if you think this way
you can become that way and he finishes this out by saying this the fixed
determination to acquire the warrior soul and have acquired it to either
conquer or perish with honor is the secret to victory George S Patton jr.
major March 26 1926 so this guy’s got a lot of a lot of things to talk about I
rolled into a third session next time delivering knowledge and I think it’s
just so important to think about these things especially a guy that’s
controversial like Patton you know there’s there’s a there’s another quote
about Patton you know because they called hatton old blood and guts and
there’s there’s a quote about Patton that someone else said it was our blood
his guts you know so there’s some diagram that’s that’s a rough statement
right that’s a rough statement so there’s controversy you know around
Patton there’s controversy about some of the things that he did you know there’s
the whole episode of him slapping around some of the guys that had left the
frontlines for various reasons that were not ham physically wounded so some of
the guys had some truck mental trauma you know whether they were shell-shocked
mmm-hmm and what’s interesting about this is this is a distant one I’m sure
we can get into but I’m reading another book written by uh by a leader in world
war two and he’s I was just reading this section where these guys are coming to
him crying we need yo you I can’t take it anymore
and one guy does it and he’s like you know talks to him and you know says to
get back on the line the next guy comes and he oh he’s crying he’s distraught
he’s like I need to get off on I can’t take it anymore and the guy says you
know uh Smith just came to me with these problems he did a much better job acting
than you’re doing so my point and the guy eventually broke down and just said
yeah but I mean I just it’s really hard me he says look I know it’s hard
everyone’s having a hard time you can do this my point is when you had there was
people that were shirking their duty there were people that would look
everyone was scared Patton says it a thousand times everyone was scared
whether someone actually had you know shell-shocked who knows certainly when
you talk about caring about your people and you get somebody in a bad situation
I mean dick winters talked about this when these guys were freaking out on the
frontlines how he would handle it certainly wasn’t by slapping him around
but that all I’m saying is that there’s controversy around Patton and yet he’s
got great you take that controversy as part of what you can learn at least I do
and definitely a ton of perspective that he has so we’ll we’ll look it we’ll keep
looking at Patton I believe maybe not next episode but who knows you never
know what that next episode is gonna bring I do know this I did some live
gigs around America sure they’re there over now when this podcast comes out the
last two were Seattle and San Francisco which both sold out which was awesome so
to everyone that went to the jockle live shows around the country
thank you and for everyone that’s asked for more looks like I’m gonna do some
more so Jaco live we’ll put that out soon on when these next ones will happen
Andy and the other thing is the leadership strategy tactics and Field
Manual that I talked about today a couple times and just just want to say
thanks to everybody it’s it’s been crazy that the sales have been great and I
know that’s all because you all are out there getting after it spreading the
word made it number one in a bunch of bunch of different a bunch of different
outlets that actually measure this stuff so believe me that every time I I think
about that I think about everyone that that listens to this podcast and that
spread the word and you know bought yourself a first edition and by the way
there was some controversy someone sent a picture on social media and that cover
was different and said you know I waited as too long and I got the second a dish
and I said no you’re in Europe or you’re in England I think England New Zealand
Europe and and basically outside America there’s a different cover it’s still
first a dish as of right now cool why is there a different cover you know what I
guess they have different styles or something that hey this is they they
just said hey this is the this is not the way books look over here mmm and you
know I just said is it Roger that I’m not from New Zealand I’m not from
Australia I’m not from England I’m not from Germany
I’m from America and if you’re telling me that this is like in the book it’s
not that much different but it’s different but apparently that’s normal
you know and yeah make sense I mean I don’t you know I I try and keep my ego
in check right yeah I’m not George S Patton saying it I’m right and history
will prove it I’m not thinking that when somebody tells me something that’s a
professional in another arena I go okay I’ll get maybe explain it to me you know
and actually I did say that to them and they sent me a bunch of other books and
said hey here’s like this is what books like look like over here your book will
not look like a book even yeah maybe I’m wrong you know I could’ve been wrong I
could have said you know what let’s hold the line and maybe people would be
looking at it going oh yeah this I’m getting this book I don’t know
yeah well I mean it kind of makes sense if you consider the concept right you
know how like you know some cars here like if they’re super exotic they’ll
have the steering wheel on the side of the road or the other side of the car
it’ll be on the right side yeah you know I wouldn’t call that super exotic that’s
just a car that was built in the foreign country right but so yeah okay period
okay so let’s say you’re shopping for a car and then you see like the steering
wheel on those really hey I’m not really used to that yeah you know and you could
say organ amelie or whatever but you know if you it’s pretty quick together
or for whatever mental reason doesn’t matter it’s like Azzam that needs to be
crossed yeah tighten that up a little bit yeah but if you go to Australia
right that’s everybody assumed same so it’s like boom we’re used to that here
we’re used to this here on many different levels you know something’s
bigger than the other okay the car thing that’s probably on this side of the
spectrum but unless book covers movie posters or movies poster if it doesn’t
look like movie poster like how is that even gonna land as a movie poster same
saying yeah so that’s what we did so I guess the
point is if you got the other cover you’re still good I’ll still be I’ll
still give you some knuckles on the first dish when I open it up now I might
might open it up and it might say third a day that’s different in which case you
know let me just look I’m not gonna I’m not gonna I’m not gonna embarrass you in
front of everybody but I’m gonna look at you you’re gonna know I’m gonna know
yeah that you didn’t get the first dish there’s still first edition available
right now but so anyways I want to say thanks to everyone for all that yeah I’m
super stoked and I appreciate appreciate it
now speaking of acquiring a warrior soul which I know it’s a little bit of a bold
statement it is but we know from Patton that we can move in the right direction
as far as improving our categories that we want improvement it can move us
towards being a little bit stronger a little bit
better a little bit faster a little bit more of a warrior yeah anything you can
recommend that could help us with that to be able to tactical advice for us
maybe either conquer or perish with honor mmm
yeah we can take to Jitsu good and really that’s really what it is what did
you do is I mean I don’t want to say really that’s what it is but we’ll just
say that’s a part of it to conquer or perish with honor if me and you were
about to roll mm-hmm and I when we go to shake hands because
it’s a part of the deal it’s not a rule but it’s cusp ECTS the honorable thing
respect what if instead of shaking my hand I surprise you with like a
guillotine or something like that I conquered but not with honor well when
I escaped the guillotine sure okay all right then you are gonna pay right then
I’m the one who’s gonna perish and by the way if you well I know this is
happening but it happened to me like where somebody’s all excited like all
amped up and they think if their big day sure and so you go to shake their hand
and like they either a don’t and by the way we’re not talking like a formal
handshake as if we just signed a NATO peace treaty we know we’re just talking
a little bump and roll right now slap little little little slap bump and
roll that’s all we’re talking about yes but occasionally especially especially
this happens if you’re going with someone that like is really trying to
kill you and then you submit them and then they’re gonna go again but they’re
so engrossed in like okay I’m gonna make you get you this time
they’re like forget their like their minds insane yes yeah yeah that’s uh
that’s good dad’s or you can go one step further we haven’t ever done that by the
way I don’t think I’ve ever got so amped up that I’d like just lost my mind I
think you have I’ve done it jokingly with no I think you’ve done it where
you’ve gotten to the point where you you’re you want to go again so bad that
you’ve that like I’ll put my hand up and you’ll like get reminded and be like oh
yeah we’re actually like friends I could be wrong and overall you wrong but you
put put this way general we’re because as frustrated as
I’ve ever gotten with you which is like pretty frustrating yeah like deep deep
engulfing frustration there was always like a little Governor on there where
it’s like even like my expressions of frustration like there’s always a hint
of like joke okay or like genuine I don’t think I’ve ever that’s not even
how I get for it that’s not how I look when I get for real in life frustrated
like all get more quiet than anything but with you it’s like and we said
talked about this before where you’re so like you can take kind of anything you
know like if I cheat with you like I straight up like you’re rolling with
Andy and I jump on your back and I put a real choke in make you tap or what I
feel like you can like take that you know yeah like you won’t be all mad at
me not externally anyway but you know I feel like you can just look externally
that would be retribution retribution but you see no saint won’t damage the
relationship in any way you know like I feel like like you can kind of take
these kinds of things so it’s almost like I’m in like a little country or you
know me believing that it’s a good thing I feel caught in what I’m saying is I
feel comfortable to just be like yeah you know fu or whatever I find sneak
attacks on the jujitsu mat somewhat offensive yeah yeah I’ve had a couple
people do it over the years like you know like tap someone out and like hey
we were over by the wall and like kind of just turn my back to start going back
towards the center and have someone jump on my back and then put a joke in yeah
that’s that’s cool but I’m first of all like I’m gonna get out and then I’m get
you’re gonna pay because that’s just you know that’s you know what it is yeah and
I think what offends me about it is the like you can tell that their ego has
flared up and they’re trying to recover that or whatever yeah and so that maybe
it is my ego that starts to flare up and I fit but I I feel more like it’s it’s a
scenario where someone’s out wide right there needs
there needs to be a lesson that gets taught right at that point yeah I think
you’re right and I agree where if somebody actually also asked me this on
social media really recently which was like hey going with the guy he’s
grinding his knuckles into my neck the whole time like into my face and he’s
like so I got on top and just like mounted and and like punished him with
neon stomach or something like that mm-hmm
is that is that bad you know there’s a little JIT about question and I was like
now it’s proofed like if someone if someone wants to get all freaking
hostile and kind of I don’t wanna use the word dirty because it’s not really
dirty but it’s what would you call that would you call that what they call it in
Portuguese it’s like gross right it’s means I’m like kind of brutal yeah like
if someone’s getting crazy with me like that yeah then I’ll probably put some
kind of uh some kind of a slightly increased measure back on them right
just slightly increase knock I’m not it’s not like I’m going to oh now I’m
gonna break someone’s arm right not at all but if you wanna you know grab hold
my whatever and start squeezing it’s like okay cool yeah you’re gonna it’s
weird cuz the balance not emotional by the way yeah okay cool you yeah I see
where you’re at right it’s not not cool and here’s how you can know yeah it can
be tricky though because some people is there’s different levels of that like
some people literally don’t know what they’re going yeah man listen just relax
bro you know sometimes like hey I probably should’ve said that to this guy
to like just being like hey man if you get crazy with people they might get
crazy with you what you want to do is try and learn and try and have a good
time this is an actual combat we’re just having fun we’re trying to learn yeah
you should you should really go with that approach you know that’s smart
that’s a smile yeah because yeah like I don’t know yeah they don’t know
and then then there’s like this intermediary level where they know but
it’s not aimed at you specifically it’s aimed at sort of everyone you know you
know the kind of you know the kind of become maybe come from an environment
where it’s like that or you know so it’s like their whole attitude towards any
competition is like crush you kill you like you’re my enemy kind of thing and
they just have this kind of subconscious attitude about it so that’s how they
roll and then then you get on the other side
inspector in which I think is the ideal candidate for the repercussions is the
kind guy where he’s like mad at you maybe not even necessarily because it’s
you but just he’s having a bad day or he’s just like frustrated because he’s
not winning or whatever kind of thing and then it’s kind of he’s turning it up
a notch like and how you say he’s stepping out of line and that’s what it
is it’s like you’re you’re stepping slightly outside of like the mutual like
respectful agreement of this friendly like training slash company yeah and the
other thing is you gotta remember is like when I roll with Andy mm-hmm like
man we’re smashing each other I mean it’s full he’s you know we’re we’ll do
whatever like it’s full we might as well be competing for you know the World
Championships yes because if there’s a chance where he’s trying to choke me and
I’ve got my chin down he’ll he’ll choke my face no no doubt about it
I’ll do the same to have like it yeah but if I was rolling with someone I
didn’t really train with all the time and they buried their chin a bag okay
I’ll go for an arm lock or whatever you know they’re not just correct you’re not
just putting your forearm across there across their mandible and cranking it as
hard as you can to open up a neck exposure or just get him to tap from
that right yeah you know so yeah and that’s that’s a subtle kind of dancey I
do too with you like who you roll with or whatever but I think generally
speaking there’s like an understanding where I think we all sort of understand
where yeah like that if you’re real close to someone and you already know
you guys are used to that competition you can take it a little bit further
yeah yeah for sure and then even on top of that we’re like
and this I guess goes for people who you’re at least have a good rapport with
whether you’re else with them or not we’re okay so there’s you know Isaiah
right you the he’s okay so we’ll roll or whatever and sometimes it’ll go into in
this ongoing scramble right so like one time he was like it was an ongoing
scramble I don’t know if he was on purpose going outside of the mat like
outside of the door he kind of did like to escape but he went outside of the mat
and I just chased him outside and jumped on is about we’re out in the not on the
mat anymore over by the water fountain you know but I chased him not because no
no this it it’s still on it was like halfway joking you know getting like ooh
we’re still fighting but it was like joking no sometimes people do that like
serious yeah you know like you’re heating the mop in this corner and
there’s no children so so here’s here’s the important part of this whole thing
if the the the reason that this is important is because if you and I are in
a real fight and you crank my face that doesn’t mean anything
yeah I can I’m just gonna I’m not like what am I gonna do I’m gonna try and
bite you right there’s if you’re cranking my face I’m not gonna tap to it
yeah so it is not a legit thing unless it opens up a choke right if you can
make the pain open up choke with and that’s fine I guess what I’m saying is
there’s things that you could do to somebody like here’s another one
breaking someone’s finger right like I could grab through your fingers if we
were in a real fight grab two your fingers grab one of your fingers and
just break it does that end the fight no no no it doesn’t end the fight and in
fact it has a not a huge impact on the fight immediately right you know like
it’s not gonna end the fight immediately so therefore for me to grab it your
fingers and try and break one of your fingers is not good training partner
yeah because it doesn’t really impact the in the the fight look it has a small
impact of the fight but but like i couching right and if this is a good one
because I’ve had people try and gouge out my eyes before it’s it doesn’t
change the outcome of the fight at that moment look if you get your finger deep
enough because I I have not done this but I’ve had friends that have dug in
for eyes and it can it’s definitely it makes people react right but if
someone’s a trained fighter it’s not this game changer it’s not as a game
changer as a choke is yeah so there for me going hey you can just attack my eyes
and we’re good that no because if you do that guess what rap scratches on my eyes
yeah and yet it doesn’t mean that you could ever beat me it just means that I
have scratches on my eyes doesn’t change the outcome so I guess there’s the
there’s this strange part about this we’re not the strange part that’s it’s
important because we do train hard and we train hard for a reason yeah that’s
one of the best things about jujitsu is you can go ninety nine percent you can
go a hundred percent and hey if I get you an unlock you tap if you give me an
armlock I tap cool then we go again if I doubt your eye it we can’t go again and
realistically it’s hard to gouge out someone an eye and it didn’t really
change the outcome a fight because you’ll still be fighting with one eye
yeah so anyways yeah and even if you’re training for actually fighting or
whatever like in outside of MMA I guess but here’s a good one biting off
someone’s ear yeah right you know Igor yeah that’s that’s what made me think of
it so so Igor you know he got into a street fight yeah and you know you hear
all these people say oh you rip off someone’s ear they’re gonna be done
guess what somebody bit off Igor’s ear and he could–he like I remember has
like bro and I said well what happened he goes oh my god I got side control and
then you know mount and finished him you know with his ear off yeah big giant
chunk of his ear gone yeah and I mean visibly gone forever yeah you know Mike
Tyson’s done yeah Mike bigger than mike tyson so this idea that all just bite
this guy’s here it’s like that’s why if you and i were to go to train today and
I’m like you know what just to make it more realistic I’m gonna bite your ear
off and then you’re like bro what are you doing it stopped does that mean I
went no it means we lost in training yeah and I got a false sense of security
thinking that just biting off your ear would stop you when the reality is would
it happen to Igor he just was like oh cool now you’re really now you’re right
so I know there’s some guy that was on the receiving end of that that’s
probably listening right now going on I wish I wouldn’t have been that guy’s ear
cuz no man heavily paid the price of knowing cuz this is the thing to bring
us back to jiu-jitsu the the jiu-jitsu that you train every
single day is effective it’s very effective
you don’t need to bite you don’t need to pull hair you don’t need to gouge eyes
sure you can add that stuff it’s fine in a real situation it’s fine but the
fundamentals that you know are infinitely more powerful than these
little additional things that you might think in your brain or a game-changer
yeah they’re not yes so jiu-jitsu so we want to Train it let’s go with that
premise we want to change it so do you have any recommendations on what we
should utilize to train jiu-jitsu yes discipline but attire wise we’re gonna
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it has a lightning bolt come the logo in one of the little oh yeah that’s true
that’s not because it’s an energy drink is because it’s tropic thunder yeah and
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anyone’s ever said okay I’m gonna make a viral video and then it worked I would
think you know what no there’s some people like on YouTube like YouTube
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what I understand of our video is like it just comes kind of from this resource
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10 million subscribers and it gets 11 million views is that a viral video okay
point taken but the question is has a viral video ever been manufactured
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we all have weaknesses we all have shortfalls no one was born perfect but
we can still overcome we can overcome our natal defects through unremitting
effort and practice and as he told his own son you can be born with a soul
capable of correct military reactions or the body capable of having big muscles
but both qualities must be developed by hard work so
don’t sit back and accept the hand that you’ve been dealt negative instead
overcome your weaknesses capitalize on your strengths by getting out there and
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